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LUNCHBREAK: The NYT has a study on Latino Democrats, PBS Does its best to Avoid while redirecting to 'Hate Trump'

PBS Takes a look at the New York Times articles that stresses that 32% of Latino Democrats are voting for Republicans during the 2022 Mid-Terms.

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Judy Woodruff:

Are pushing to make immigration and the Southern border a key issue. Meanwhile, President Biden and former president Trump are out making their cases for voters and here to discuss it all. Amy Walter of the cook political report with Amy Walter and OSMA HOD of NPR Tamer. Keith is

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

A, there's not a Hispanic up there, not a Hispanic talking about this on PBS. They made wouldn't. You want to get some sort of Hispanic pundit talking about the state of Hispanics when it comes to, like, wouldn't that be? Then, focus? No, not on, not on this public rate, the public TV station by

Judy Woodruff:

Hello to both of you on this Monday to talk about so many odd, last respond rally that Amy, that former president Trump had over the weekend in Ohio, where he was making a number of statements. And at one point, or

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

During this, this crazy ass lesbian right up there, I mean, look at her, she's just gearing up. And then the, you got the other one with the headdress and everything. Where are the Hispanics? If you're talking about Hispanics, you have to include them in the conversation. We don't need to see a lesbian from the LGBTQ committee up there deciding what she wants to do with another minority group, which is the largest minority group in the country. We're not a doormat for these people. We're not an ethnic group made to be moved around. We're a group with values and traditions, and we're very proud of it. And you don't wanna patronize them during this particular time. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Judy Woodruff:

At the rally there was music playing, which has been compared to the theme song of the extremist group beliefs with an extreme set of beliefs called QAN,

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Oh, here we go. That's it. Oh, got the bell. Right? <laugh> I gotta go back to got the bell. We gotta go to the bell. We got, oh, I, I heard it. It signal went off in my head. QAN on extreme conspiracy, cue up the lesbian end. Listen,

President Trump:

We are a nation that has weaponized this law enforcement against the opposing political party. That would be us like never, ever before. We've got a federal bureau of investigation that won't allow badly.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Wait, are we supposed to pay attention to the music while Donald Trump is talking?

President Trump:

Sure. Yeah. Cause that

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

That was the whole point. How does anybody do that? Like they can't tune it out. I'm certainly not going to. I mean, what Judy Woodruff asked a question about the music

President Trump:

Election-changing facts to be presented to the public.

Judy Woodruff:

So people hold up their hands and the symbol. That again, that seems to

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

In a Nazi and a third right symbol, the one that we all, because we're all part of our little liberal cult

Judy Woodruff:

Suggest QAN on, but what, what, where does this leave?

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

One hell of a preamble. I mean, that's quite the setup. That's like nice a minute 30 to set up a question. Let me tell you what we're gonna approve of what you say here on PBS government-funded and listener-supported and right. They're always that it's like, what are you talking about? The

Judy Woodruff:

Former president, as he goes out and tries to appeal to voters for the candidates, he's campaigning for, oh,

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Wait, that's

Amy Walter:

Exactly the right question. And it's one that many Republican strategists, especially strategists for candidates in so many of these swing states, Arizona or Georgia or Nevada or New Hampshire, would like the former president comes in. They would like him to stick to a script focusing less on 2020 and more on Joe Biden and the economy. But how many times have we heard that from Republican strategists who would tell us always off the record, if only President Trump could stay on message someday, maybe he'll

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Stay on message. They don't even let him in the party. It's like he becomes a battering something to be battered between both of 'em. I, I don't know if I can listen to much more of this, like the smiles from ear to ear, to the setups, you know, the contrived feeling that as if you are getting something that is substantive and you're not, you know, oh, like she's from the cook political report. She is like the poor man's well, what's, what's, what's that woman's name? That's on <laugh> I forget her name when she's on MSNBC. Be

Amy Walter:

Able to do it, but his message is for his voters now.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Oh, his voters, you mean the voters that voted him into office because we’re Republic here in this country to the tune of beating your candidate, who would've been the first, first female president. Yeah. That one,

Amy Walter:

The reality is the people who made it through these primaries in these key Senate races were once whom Donald Trump had endorsed.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Yes, that's right. There we go. I'm glad you get that. Right. Glad you understand that. We're not gonna go ahead and cower over here in the corner, and yes, we're still here, and you can go ahead and, you know, slay us. However, you try to get the follow-up for Melan.

Amy Walter:

Tomorrow. And those candidates are now trying to spend these next 50 days showing their basically trying to pivot away from Trump away from the idea that they are part of this extremist group. They don't want this election to be around.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

It's not an extremist group. He's the president of the United States. And here's the key. This is really good. The key is the fact that they have changed the environment where the candidates can behave in where they're spending their money. Okay. Just because Donald Trump endorsed them doesn't mean that they're extremists at all. In fact, Donald Trump was kind of a radical moderate from 2001 through 2009. And what they failed to tell you is that Donald Trump was a Democrat. Donald Trump was an anti-George Bush Democrat. Donald Trump was a friend of the bill and Hillary Clinton. Now that's not getting him any points right now, amongst us as we talk about this, but they'll fail. They'll fail to talk about those types of things. He is anti-establishment what does this woman of the cook report, and what does, you know, asthma, Cali, and what they're part of the establishment complete and total disrespect for Hispanics. Why? Because they see them as an affinity group based upon their ethnicity, which is the very same thing as racism.

The very thing that they're accusing Donald Trump of is the very thing that they're doing on your public airwaves, that you are supporting the affinity groups they have created. They have, we have no stock, no seat at the table on public television while they sit there and talk about us. Like we're not here, this whole thing, setting up about Hispanic voters. Isn't about anything other than that; oh, you know what, either side gets to patronize this. And Donald Trump was the only one that did not. They missed that whole entire point, cuz they need to skirt around them because they realize how powerful that is. They realize that Hispanics decided to go with the G O P during Donald Trump. And why? Because they're drawn to patriarchal. They're, they're drawn to men, they're drawn to traditional family structures, values, and beliefs. They're not drawn to whatever Amy Walter is of the LGBTQ cook report.

Amy Walter:

Forum once again on Trump and his views on deep

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Views, whatever you call them, that he was with you. What, what, what happened when he gave all that money to all those Democrats from 2001 through 2009, or he registered as part of the constitution party, or it was an independent before he became a Republican? What happened then? Where, where were you attacking him at that time? These aren't views. You know, many times, our political views are adaptable to the times for what is needed. Leadership is their leadership being able to see the future and make adjustments and not being dedicated to these certain levels of beliefs. That would just pretty, pretty much paint anybody into a corner. You don't have to do that. Now. That's exactly who Donald Trump is, but he didn't do it because he took a poll or asked other people; he felt it, he connected, he connected there with their heads, he connected with their hearts, and he said, this is what's needed. I will take the lead. And here's what I'm gonna do. I'll sacrifice my own personal fortune

Amy Walter:

Bunch

Judy Woodruff:

Of things. But he continues to talk about these things. That's right. You've been out on the campaign trail. Mm-hmm <affirmative> in, in recent

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Time like that, looking like you're trying to win over Republicans, or are you just trying, trying to cement your current affinity groups yourself. That's what they do. Were they comfortable, and where do they feel comfortable? I wanna stay away from the micro macroaggressions that are out there.

Judy Woodruff:

I am in recent months. What do you, what do you see? How do you see these Hispanic remarks and this message playing? I mean,

Asma Khalid:

It is this sense, right? That, that we see,

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

We have three minutes; the segment's all about Hispanics. And I have yet to hear anything about Hispanics or from a Hispanic. I hear Donald Trump getting tarred and feathered as if he's an extremist. And they threw out a few snap words like hu, and a, this is what this is. This is used to inform the public, pay attention, and time.

Asma Khalid:

And again, President Trump is making this midterm election not about a referendum on president Biden, right? We always hear that that's the case, and that's not what's happening. And I think that's

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Much. Did you notice they actually gave it away? This is the referendum on Donald Trump. They made that because Joe Biden is such a bad president. He is such bad; there is no referendum. He doesn't have a strong enough personality. He doesn't; they were really smart in being able to have his exit stage left without him ever, ever having to be on stage. It is a referendum, as I have been telling you, on Donald Trump; this is why you have to stand behind the man during this time, as well as Ron DeSantis, as well as the principal. And sometimes I wish we could just extract it here in the marketplace and say, okay, these principles versus these principles without the personalities, which is often what I have to do for a lot of people and say, okay, well, what do you pick? And it feels like four out of five times.

It's always Donald Trump because it makes sense. It's commonsensical, and it's antithetical to anything that the Democrats are doing right now. They're pushing out all this crap over and over again. And people are believing it because it's not Donald Trump, but if you stripped it away, sort of like me, well, we didn't like Eddie Eragon. We didn't like his homeless stuff. And now you have the mayor implementing the same things I was campaigning on. I was running on, and I beat him on it's the same paradigm everywhere you go. These people cannot be exposed to the truth because it's too much for them to take

Asma Khalid:

To the delight of Democrats that I talk to. There's a sense that if this were truly just a referendum on President Biden, say on the state of the economy, that would be a bigger challenge for Democrats, but every time president former president Trump interjects. You know, it just turns the conversation away. One thing that I am sort of confused about, though, I will say I was in Florida the week that the moral Lavo search.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Here's the anecdotal.

Asma Khalid:

And I went to a Republican club meeting. There was speaking with several women. And there was a sense that, perhaps more than the economy, the search of the former president's home could energize Republican-based voters. So I, I will say that to me is still unclear that degree of energy that might have for Republican based voters, but when you talk about independence, I mean, no, I don't think great is really energizing them. Yeah.

Judy Woodruff:

And it's

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

In

Judy Woodruff:

No Hispanics cause that; that issue of what happened at Malago still playing out in the court, and we'll see where that goes. So there's a new poll that comes out, and we don't look at it; we don't pay attention to every single poll, but this one struck us as interesting. This is the New York times

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Halfway through. We're finally getting to the pool that I've been talking about the entire time, and of which our population is 56% of the point. This was two nights ago.

Judy Woodruff:

Sienna college looked at Hispanic voters in a large group of voters. They surveyed Amy. And what they, what you see, should be good news for Democrats is 56% say they're supporting Democrats 32%. Republican, on the other hand, right?

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Folks were gonna get there. They realized that during this interview, they see it, and they are going crazy. They're seeing the Latinos like, whoa, the wait shouldn't this be 80-20 for those racists? I mean, how did they get 32%? How did they get 32%, Republicans? They're just out of their minds; watch that's

Judy Woodruff:

Democrats wanna think they're gonna do

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

What? Watch them try to laugh it off. They can't do it whole.

Judy Woodruff:

Lot.

Amy Walter:

They're gonna win 70% of these voters, which is when we were talking that's right in the past, they have done in the past, certainly during the Obama era. And

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Remember, they're not acknowledging what they're talking about, which is Hispanic Democrats; Judy Woodruff blew through it. She didn't say, Hispanic Democrats. She just said Hispanics while she comes back. And she had to say it a second time because they couldn't understand it. This is what happens when you're. So in incre, it's in the details like you have no idea what's happening. I'm like, well, okay, we're just talking about Hispanics. Yeah, yeah. So bad. That's not bad. No. We're talking about Hispanic Democrats.

Amy Walter:

Obama his message in 2012 and, well, 2008, but it continued in 2012, was basically one of Democrat demographic, destiny. Mm-hmm <affirmative> that eventually the fact that this country is getting more and

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

More. She can't even, she can't even think she can't even get it out. She has a concept. She can't feel it because she has no, I idea how to backend it.

Amy Walter:

Folks who are coming in, who are into the voting age,

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Every Hispanic's an immigrant; every Hispanic came in, crossed the river before, while they were a child. Listen, listen to the LGBTQ analyst. Literally, put it into this impoverished disadvantaged group the entire time who

Amy Walter:

Are Latino. That's only

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Third-party who are Latino. We're talking about Democrats, lady.

Amy Walter:

Help Democrats. I talked to a democratic group today, actually who put out their own numbers on Latino voters. They,

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

They skipped it out altogether and only acknowledged it again. You see what's happening here, Rudy; it's only Latino voters. Yep. They skipped the idea that this is Hispanic Democrats, and they're taking the New York Times piece. Who's putting it out there, like extra, read all about it. 32% of Hispanic Democrats are voting Republican. I don't know what else to say, but that's seismic. They're just ignoring it altogether. Hoping that it goes away

Amy Walter:

Or focused or progressive organization focused on Latino voters. They had very similar data. Their takeaway was this. The good news is we're not doing any worse among voters. <Laugh> oh, Latino than we were in 2020. We seem to be just sort of stuck in where things ended

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Up. She didn't read the New York Times article. She didn't read what I spent the front part of this entire thing. She was focused on her agenda, and she was damned to get to it at the very bottom. Like, this is amazing. This is what happens when you don't pick up a paper and read; this is what happens when you don't get into the details. And I, I looked at this New York times cuz I I'm a subscriber to the New York Times, and I wanna say, okay, well I'm gonna look at this and what's it telling me, what's it telling me about what's happening out there. This woman misses it entirely. She's not worth her weight, and whatever analyst position she happens

Amy Walter:

Is gonna have the 2020 and the group that has moved the most, not surprisingly younger men, and the economy is still the biggest issue. It was a big issue in 2020. It's obviously an issue there. The other thing this person told me is, you know, look this person these, these voters, we assumed for years that at the end of the day, they were always gonna break for Democrats. We can't assume that anymore. What are you hearing about this?

Asma Khalid:

I, I agree with that. I mean, there's also geographic diversity, right? And you do see that Republicans tend to do better with Latino voters in both Texas and Florida. Obviously, both of those are very key states. As we look to the midterm elections cycles, but a lot of votes, I mean, right. I, I think that there is a sense, as you were saying for

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

You, she's so smug and so smarmy about it. Yes, she, agrees and she just kind of goes into the whole entire thing.

Asma Khalid:

First, Democrats had assumed that they would be able to gain a certain percentage of Latino voters. And we saw that the former president did actually better with Hispanic voters in 2020 than he did in 2016, I think to the surprise of many democratic analysts. But what I hear often from specifically young, younger Latino voters is the sense that the democratic party has taken their vote for granted for years. And they want greater outreach. And on the flip side, you have seen a Republican party making a strong effort to the court. Those.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

And so they're missing the point because this that the point should be it's cultural, the progressives have taken over, they've made it woke. They become activated. And the Hispanics no longer that are in the Democrat party. And I'm gonna make a big point here. The Hispanics in the Democrat party no longer identified as Hispanics before they identified as Democrats. Let me repeat that. Wow. The Hispanics in the Democrat party are currently in a prioritization, identify as Democrat before they identify as Hispanic; their ethnicity isn't as important to them as it is to these analysts who tell them it should be more important to you. This is what we make the assumption. That is a huge statement. If you look at this and try to understand what's happening here they're missing the boat. The Republican party has missed the boat because they have failed to communicate the repo.

The Hispanics are looking around like okay, I don't know what to do here. I don't know who's representing me. I know I don't agree with these people who are LGBTQ transgender. I know that I'm not into black lives matter. I know that I'm not picking up the Antifa. You know, I don't want my, my my, my country to turn into, you know, Lima, Peru, or, you know, Columbia or Bogota or, you know, any of these Latin, they don't want that. They don't want to be involved in Antifa and protests. And you know, standing up for what they want to do is they want to be successful. Not have to worry about all these things on the periphery. So the law and order stuff does work, but you gotta find a way to communicate, and you can't be the anti-other party, right?

You can't shut them down cuz that's not attractive to them. Either. You have to reinforce. And this is part of the problem with the Catholic church. If the Catholic church was, was there to pick up the slack on all this Rudy, I'm telling you right now, people would be like, okay, I'm jumping on the side of the Republicans. But the Catholic church is no longer Republican. The Republican Catholic church needs to be decimated and torn away. Then, the Catholic church needs to be done with between its bankruptcy and all the various other things. That's no longer; you've got a gay priest over at St. Mary's. You saw what father Chavez has become. This is part of that controlled opposite. These are people who are leaders of a congregation. And this is why you see so many Latinos. I hate to say that Hispanics move away from the Catholic church and go to this evangelical church.

Those are people who put their ethnicity, which of course, feeds their beliefs. What they love to do, what they want to be, because it reinforces their identity of where they came from fastest growing religion in Latin America is Christianity, not Catholicism evangelicals for the last two decades. I mean, it's been an unbelievable run for evangelical churches throughout Latin America. Why? Because it reinforces their point. And yo, well, we have a Latin priest. Why do you think Pope Francis became that? You don't think that all those people who decided the Cardinals who decided who was gonna ultimately become Pope didn't know what was happening in America. Correct? I think that's it's they didn't, they didn't know that they were well aware of it. Let's listen them finish up their ability to sort of salvage what's there.

Amy Walter:

Well, and the demographics now working against Democrats; it's younger, or maybe more middle-aged, the thirties to forties Latinos who are more Republican-leaning. It's actually the older voters that are the most supportive of Democrats. So as new voters age, that doesn't necessary.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

So she missed it. She's total; she's totally wrong. She has no idea what she's talking about. She's out of touch. She's made to be abundant, and she has not read a single thing before she decided to go on air. So all I had to do was pick this apart and take the same source of what they were doing. Look back at the New York Times article; look at it the way that it should be looked at because I know that neither of them looked at cuz they were looking at the agenda. What they're trying to do. This is a salesman. This is sailing. This is like avoiding the conversation about how things are happening out there so that I can continue to drive things and hope, hope, hope that how things are happening out there goes away. Does that make sense? Yeah,

Amy Walter:

Necessarily mean a good thing for Democrats.

Judy Woodruff:

What can, what can Democrats say? Awesome. Good. So

Asma Khalid:

I don't know that it's always a saying; this is what I hear, right. Republicans have shown up that after the 20, 20 elections, they built these centers in different communities, right? To court minority groups, different groups, but specifically, let's say in certain communities, Latino voters, what I heard in 2016 and in 2020 from specifically younger Latino voters was the sense that Democrats show up around election cycles, right? And then they disappear. And there is a sense that there's not been a lack of it or that there has been a lack of investment in infrastructure and follow through on promises. And look, you know, the Biden administration came in promising comprehensive immigration reform you know, to his credit, president Biden did put forth something right at the outset when he came into office, but it's gone nowhere. And I think there's a sense of frustration from some younger voters who want to see immigration reform and want a permanent status, not just a deferred action status. It's been the case. That would

Judy Woodruff:

Be that, I mean, this, this, this just echoes Amy campaigns, I've covered frankly for decades, right? With Latino and Hispanic voters saying we're just, they come to visit us right before the election. Right.

Amy Walter:

And African American voters too, which has soured many younger voters. But remember to, this is again the, for the flip side where Democrats are doing better. This Democrat said to me, look, Republicans still haven't really sold these voters. There you go. They haven't really finished, you know, or

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Close because it's a cultural connection. It's the evangelical one that I just talked to you about that, you know, that the Catholic church has abandoned itself in all of this. So it lasts 20 seconds, right?

Amy Walter:

They can get a certain percentage of the vote, but there is a wall that those voters hit with the Republican’s drive. A lot of it is derived from the fact they still see Republicans as the party of the wealthy and the elites

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

And the white says it, there

Judy Woodruff:

You go. And we can't forget again how diverse this Latino exactly votes. It

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

Is. So the whole idea is that getting any Latino to get behind Donald Trump as an attempt to try to scare him. And the only Latinos that will get are those where it reinforces their values before it reinforces the personality, which is ahead of everything, which is Donald Trump. So remember, personality isn't the party. It's just the person who's advanced at that time. And that lightning in the bottle, Donald Trump, 2016. And it certainly would've been 2020. Had we had any fairness in my opinion of the election, Harry Montoya, I relevant to your conversation on air. There's a Democrat who became a Republican, right. Harry Montoya. And he was he's running for, is he, I think land commissioner, I didn't vet that or see it, but I'd love to do that. Great conversation today. We just need the Republican party of New Mexico to start understanding this. Well, they would've, if I would've been part chair <laugh> I don't have all day.

Rudy Grande:

Well, that was part of it. And had they gone down a different path? Exactly.

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

All the Republican party has to do, including Ron Katie's TV advertisements during the Simpsons. I read that again. I had grit. She working on the report. There we go. Here we go. I looked up Chelsea Clinton's husband. Thanks. I thought they might have been hiding that fact, just like California's trying to hide the unbelievable facts of a bill ther’re trying to pass, making it legal to kill a BB 30 days after birth. So it's all out there, folks. It's all about how it gets steered. And I, I promised you, Rudy. Right? I thought we talked about this before the show.

Rudy Grande:

It's amazing how people misunderstand a whole group of

Eddy (The Rock of Talk):

People there it is.